Notorious or not I should obviously listen to them once again. I just remember @Iestyn saying that there used to be 1 lesson 6 and then forum members asked for it to be devided into two what we who came later should thank you here on the forum for. So … yes, THANK YOU ALL for this “feature”. It was highly needed - that much I can remember too - and I didn’t thank here for that yet.
Yah, memories are returning to me now and I can remember I was quite frustrated with all 3 6 lessons counting bonus one in.
Bydd, yes now I remember. I just couldn’t understand how come positive (as I will) and negative (as I won’t) can be so different and I remember I was frustrated with hearing the difference although it was clearly heard. That was my first time I REALLY wanted to quit forever. i remember me saying this language is impossible to learn. However despite all moanings on twitter, here and around my home when practicing I’m still here on track.
Now when I’m doing things like @aran suggested after 6 challenges in a row I could agree Level 1 is more “friendly” with me so far so maybe for those who are starting from scratch Level 1 I’d recommend more then Course 1. However I could be wrong though.
I’m not sure if it’s right to put this question here, but since its Course 1 V Level 1 I’ll put it here.
dywedai ti (as in “you said” (I can’t even write this down, trying for 15 minutes to manage to “compose” this probably wrong composition)) VS Wnest ti …
Is that so wrong I use “Wnest ti …” instead of dywedai ti … ? I found that first easier, probably as I’ve learnt it more and my repetition of things in Level 1 (Challenge 7) automatically turns into it constantly forgetting that second version. That second thing is kind of shortcut, that much I already could find out but I’m not sure my brains like it at the time. That “wnest ti” come out from my mouth like from the cannon not being even aware I’ve used it instead of this newer, shorter version of the past tense.
I already kind of know you’ll say something like “both is correct”, but should I strive to capture this version from Level 1 or it actually doesn’t matter that much what version I use?
Both are actually correct. The difference is basically “I said” versus “I did say”, with (in the Southern dialect) dwedest ti coming from dweud and Gwnest ti (silent ‘G’) coming from Gwneud.
You can of course use whichever you feel most comfortable with, but you will hear the short forms, so it is at least good to be able to recognise and understand them. The more you do this however, the easier they will get, and soon you will be using the short forms just as comfortably as the long forms, just let it happen naturally by working through the challenges.
Thank you. Now I at least know how to write this down properly.
Well, I have a bit difficulties with understanding all those past tenses even in English although we learnt what is used in which occassion as we in Slovenia practically (even in writing not only when we talk) almost always use one and only past tense we have and it doesn’t differ. If I say “Rekla sem.” it can be raughly translated as whatever you want - I said, I have said, I did say. No difference at all. I guess I’ll have to get used to all this and more in Welsh too no matter what Course or Level I do.
Of course I’ll try to use shorter version but I decided I won’t mind too much what comes to me first. I have no problems with understanding things until now though.
That’s interesting! Shows how language can often be understood easily through context, which is always an important thing to remember.
As has been said, “nest ti + verb” and “verb stem +est ti ending” are two ways of saying the same thing. It’s partly because of dialects.
“Wnest ti + verb” is used far more often in the North of Wales whilst the short form is used far more often in the South (and in literature).
So the “wnest ti” form can be used hardly at all, or almost all the time, depending on where you are - and use by individuals can vary, of course!
So the worst that could happen if you use “wnest ti” all the time is that you might sound like some people from the North of Wales - which a lot of people actually aspire to!
Despite it’s my second reply in this topic in a row I just have to write down this, let’s say, for me, revolutionary discovery. (and it’s earlier then after a month )
Being on Level 1 Challenge 10 (one challenge per day I do, remember?!) I’ve just found out making Course 1 and all Vocab lessons before moving to Level 1 was very useful for me. I found Level 1 is much easier to cope with no matter that when I started it was HUGE!!! confusion to me and it was one more (2nd) point when I was on the way out, leaving forever.
So, it might happen someone else would find this way of learning going to his/her way because the more you do Level 1 after doing Course 1 the more familiar it all seams to you and even those different things don’t seam so horrible in a time anymore.
I also love how Level 1 tends to practice each and every thing taught in previous Challenges so you never forget to practice anything.
However I’m moving from dwedest ti problem to doni ddim yn … (I couldn’t find how to write down this properly) one now, being taught Wnes i ddim … before, but I FINALLY!!! can’t be bothered with it too much. It will come (as @Iestyn says) naturally.
So, maybe you’ll want to start with Course 1 going through all those brain melting thingys (especially in lessons 6a and 6b) and then go to Level 1.
Well after doing Course 1 to go on with Level 1 isn’t my revolutionary discovery though. I can’t give myself credits for that, It was @aran who gave me this advise but the feel like obaying it is revolution!
I feel like conversation killer here right now, but I was so thrilled yesterday, listening to Listening practice at Challenge 10 that I just have to say this here.
This double speed listening practice is like a music to me. I was surprised that all of a sudden I’ve got quite some bits out from the whole conversation understanding almost whole sentences not just words. Nope, I didn’t cheat this time. I didn’t even read the transcript neither translation. I’ll keep them both unread for a while. I’m curious if I could at one point get whole conversation in without reading any of those texts at all.
I love Level 1 more and more but have to bear in mind I previously did whole Course 1 so it might be it all seams better and easier because of that fact though.
I’m corious what next listening practice with triple speed brings. That should be fun!
What about this particular challenge is making it feel that way? The sentences get pretty long, if I remember correctly. I think it also brings in dweud wrth with its personal forms I think… Let us know and we’ll try to help.
Dweud is the slidest problem, I’m stuck with different way of past for him and her and yes, very long sentences. I can’t even remember the whole sentence in English what to form it in Welsh. (my constant problem though).
Suggestions: should I go back to Challenge 12 and then to Challenge 13 again or should I continue with Challenge 14 no matter what? I was thinking of repeating Challeng 12 and 13 and then go further as I’m not sure how much of previous things is practiced in Challenge 14. With more material it’s understandable not everything can be practiced in each and every Challenge further on.
