Yah, I’m “voicing” them too much shouting out of frustration as I’ve gone through those things so many times. Thank you @ramblingjohn.
@netmouse, you’re actually right. I have to see them written down. I know the mutations when it comes to other things, but to possessives and reflexives I’m liek frozen. Ant there’s so much of it I feel like I don’t go anywhere with the whole learning because of that. I’m slowly climbing up the Lesson 25/2 but this is because of other things not possessives and, yes, I know, Course 2 is full of those things all the way though. It’s just that I just all of a sudden didn’t understand what comes where at all.
Let’s compare (just for fan of it) that Cath thingy to the Slovene one … [size=9]Yes I really want to do this for a long time already![/size]
mačka = cat (it can also be “muca” if it’s little one or too cute to call it “mačka”)
moja mačka = my cat
tvoja mačka = your cat
njegova mačka = his cat
njena mačka = her cat
naša mačka = our cat
vaša mačka = your cat (plural)
njihova mačka = their cat.
BUT!!! We have duality too Gormod o problemiau hefyd.
najina mačka = our cat (those of two of us)
vajina mačka = your cat (no matter of the gender)
njuna mačka = their cat (no matter of the gender)
Now you know to who cat belongs to in Slovene. - hehe
All in all - thank you both of you. This will come handy in deed. Will try to investigate the thingys with plentyn, gwraig, dad and what’s more to it. Sometimes I mutate right but forget to put “dy” and “di” (for example) where they have to be put. …
Tatjana fach, I’ve got two really good grammar books with rules and exercises, I can send you the scans of the relevant pages - maybe they will be useful. I’m also of the opinion that it might be helpful to see the possessives all in a table!
I wouldn’t argue if you’d do that. To be honest I didn’t buy any grammar book yet. I have some grammar rules explained in “Teach Yourself Welsh” but I think they’re not noted as I’d want them to or I don’t look into it properly. I also have a dictionary where there are always some gramar rules explained but to my sadness it’s so tiny print that my eyes are probably implemented inthere so it might be “tatjana’s eyes” is the new structure/word written inthere or you’d at least find a pice of my glasses inthere …
I don’t moan many times because of my sight but at such things I’m irritated with it.
So, thank you in advance.
If you have Google Drive or Dropbox you can also put scans there and share link with me. Knight Ghost is my Google name. Or I’ll simply come to Skype for some file sharing.
Just PM me your e-mail, I think it’ll be convenient for us both?
I have Heini Gruffudd “Welsh rules” (thanks to my cariad who kindly brought it from the UK) and some other books as well, which I hope will be useful)
I’ve lost the challenge. I didn’t do any lesson today. So, I don’t deserve the “reward”. I won’t promise I’d do them twice tomorrow (today) because I know it won’t happen though.
[size=5]I just need to go to bed. … good night (morning … it’s 3 am again).[/size]
I’m sorry. Hitting pause button and looking into the table what mutation to use and how to create the possessives and reflexives made me even more confused. I thought the result would be better, but it’s actually worse. I all of a sudden didn’t know even things I did before. All of a sudden I’ve got the feeling even what I could say right is wrong … No pause button is even less for me then drilling through in one piece …
Tatjana, I think this is something that is going to take time and practice to master. I don’t think its realistic to expect that you will do well with it the first time you try to go through the lesson with the chart in front of you. Too much to think about all at once! I know writing isn’t the SSi way, but I wonder if some written exercises to help solidify the structures in your mind would help, as @stella suggested.
I am struggling with the same thing (possessives & reflexives) but to be fair I haven’t done all the SSiW lessons yet. I’ve taught myself a bit with my Gareth King book because I’ve wanted to use them in my journal, but the mutations aren’t sticking for me…I know I need the lesson practice for that. I think I’m going to have more time and energy for lessons now - I’m looking forward to getting back into it!
Doing the whole course twice, going through Lesson 25/2 every day and nothing sticks with me … it’s a bit too much.
I’m glad you’re back in gaining energy for doing lessons on the contrary of me. I’m loosing my energy, passion, whatever … Christmas and New Year’s time is always treating me this way already for quite some years. Hopefully when Spring comes things will start to be better again, who knows …
OK, sorry, I didn’t want to moan and feel pity for myself so I better stop here before I do the same stupid thing as I did some months back …
Knowing yourself is important. Since you know this is a more difficult time of year for you, drop your expectations and just be kind to yourself. Remember, the sun will rise again. I know of a beautiful, inspiring video you can watch to cheer yourself up. A really special person made it for me
I’d just like to say that those 29 % of 25/2 are very unlikely to be correct as I’ve said the thing, heard Iestyn and Cat speaking and at the time I’ve heard their answer I for some things forgot if I really said them that way (correct way). It just seamed to me I’ve said them right and marked them as such …
Finished 14 days challenge set by @aran, but not completed it.
This is the short summary of everything. I’ve missed to do both Lessons twice and Lesson 25/2 3 times more. I won’t explain why, it has no use.
Well, the more I try to understand and memorize all those possessives and reflexives the more ununderstandable they’re becomming to me so there might be the time to or pause or even stop trying at all. I’m actually tired of figuring out what’s right and what wrong because I didn’t get any single step further regarding this. I’m loosing momentum …
Well, this is approximately all what I have to say about all this.
It’s always such a shame to see you talking yourself down so much even while you’re in the middle of achieving real progress. For both sessions (the two most difficult sessions in the course) your results over the two weeks show absolutely clear, unambiguous improvement - congratulations.
Yes, the possessives are fiddly - but why focus on, and get upset about, such a small part of the language? It would be very interesting to know what your numbers would look like for Course 2 if you ignored the mistakes with possessives…
No, you didn’t do both sessions every day, but you did enough to get your prize - so when would be a good time for a chat? I’m looking forward to seeing the difference after all the conversations you’ve had with other people by now…
To be honest, I didn’t read anything except this forum for about 2 months.
Thank you. I didn’t see it that way at all but more like stepping on the single place …
Hmmm … finding them over and over again everywhere they seam very important part of the language to me.
Sorry, I can’t imagine doing that … there’s the whole course of posessives and reflexives apart from small part at the end (and even that little part contains them I think).
I tried hard but for quite some years my mind appears to be so tired at that festive time. The days I’ve left both lessons out I just didn’t feel in accordance with doing them … I’m sorry. Festive time obviously works differently on me then on majority of other people …
Thank you again.
Whenever at the evening at 8 pm my time (7 pm your time) or later if you have time, except tomorrow (Wednesday 06.01.2016) as I have settled sgwrs with @brigitte and I never want to miss it if it isn’t life depending neccessary. So, suggestion is yours.
Yah, I’m interested in what you’d say about that though. I feel like I’ve gone backwards not forwards … However the time and you will tell.
You went from a low of 47% to a high of 81% for Course 1, and a low of 8% to a high of 29% for Course 2 - how can you possibly, in ANY terms, see that as staying in the same place?? It’s a huge, HUGE improvement in such a short period of time.
I didn’t say they’re not important, I said they’re a small part of the language - if you don’t use them at all, you’ll still be able to have lots of great conversations. If you make mistakes with them, you’ll still be understood most of the time. Stop focusing on the negative, Tatjana - it only damages you, and your learning process.
When kids usually go to sleep? I just don’t want to interrupt this family event. It can be like a kind of ritual and it if possible should not be interrupted. Oh, at least we had something like that when our son was little. First washing, dressing the pijamas and then some childrens song singing and ended with fairy-tale … Those were magical days. And I know both parents are needed if only possible so … I really don’t want to interrupt this magic time.
[size=9]Yes I really want to do this for a long time already![/size]
