Tatjana - progress reports

I was reading the topic of @Eigentimeā€™s progress in learning and went to see my stats on the same level he is right now. Then I was cruising through my progress logs a bit and came across this.(I even now feel the despare I was in at the time).

Do you remember? The result was at te time this

I forgot how this test looks like and did it again. ā€œYou have mostly a Growth Mindsetā€ it says now. What my first thoughts were ā€œCongrats to us both!ā€

You believed in my abilities and your wish you could help was enourmous. It radiates from this particular post even now. I wish you will succeede in helping Michael in his learning at the same level as you did with me.

I just canā€™t do anything about if I say big Diolch one more time! and all the best!

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Tatjana annwyl. Thatā€™s such wonderful newsā€¦ :star: :star2: :dizzy:

Llongyfarchiadau mawr iawn iawn! :thumbsup: :slight_smile:

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After 5 months I thought Iā€™d write some little update which is actually not update at all as I didnā€™t get anywhere further than I was 5 months ago. However taking a break of learning and just do some little things on a daily basis didnā€™t get me much further. Actually I feel it caused me go a step or two back.

Some things which happened recently made me think about this all and made me aware I should be way ahead where I am now but Iā€™m not. I gave a small interview to someone (you might already know to who) and when reading edited version of it I realized how much editing that poor person had to make for the interview to look at least a bit ā€œadvancedā€. I have realized how simple my language still is and rather real ā€œhwntwā€ what has nothing to do with South-North versions but it reflects on how half-way the language is used by me. Iā€™m forgetting all kinds of "yn"s, ā€œarguingā€ with myself where to put ā€œiā€, ā€œynā€ or something else, mutating where I sholdnā€™t and not mutating where I should for sure ā€¦ and more ā€œtinyā€ bits Iā€™d have to know already. So, yah, donā€™t expect youā€™ll hear good Welsh speaker when talking to me. This is also the reason I donā€™t volunteer with anything related to those who actually only started to learn. Speaking with me would rather mean that one would be confused and would learn nothing or would learn wrongly.

The other thing which made me aware I stagnated was todayā€™s Level 1 Challenge 25 repetition. Iā€™m still not good at using shortenings and itā€™s hard even to remember them for me what to use them in such quick time which are the gaps inbetween English and Welsh in the lesson. I could use pause button, but it might not provide any challenge to me or I wouldnā€™t be forced to think too hard to remember things.

I also know that I use tenses all the way wrong. If earlier I wasnā€™t abloe to use ā€œoā€™n iā€™nā€ and similar things now Iā€™m using this all the time even when very simple past tense would be required. But mostly itā€™s still ā€œnes iā€, ā€œnes i ddimā€ ā€œnest tiā€ and such stuff weā€™ve learnt at first, what comes to my mind and what I use even when there would be more useful to use shortenings.

No, Iā€™m not moaning and if Iā€™ve written the last time how Iā€™ve changed my fixed mindset into growth one, this stil guilts itā€™s just to let all know that one whoā€™d talk to me shouldnā€™t expect to hear really ā€œadvancedā€ and fine tuned Welsh from my end. Iā€™m stil where I was ā€¦ at the very beginning although I understand mostly everything whatā€™s been told to me but my answers are way too simple to be counted into something advanced or fine tuned.

Might be Iā€™ve disapointed those who put so much effort into my learning, even comming to visit me and even made much more things for me, but thatā€™s how it is ā€¦ Iā€™m trying my best to be able to really learn every day a bit, but the time is even more hard on me as it was before. Now I am comuting already for almost 4 and a hlaf hours a day and the things (despite iā€™m going almost the same distance as before just in another direction of the city) look to go even worse when winter comes. This week Iā€™m at home and I put more effort into doing or re-doing more lessons but when this time passes Iā€™ll have to switch back to ā€œnormalā€ again.

So, thatā€™s basically why I donā€™t involve in any Skyping more than I already do (sgwrs with @brigitte and @ramblingjohnā€™s Skype practice when it occurs). I might do more damage to beginners than do them a favour.

So, this is it. Now back to learning. :slight_smile:

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Oh @tatjana fach.

You were looking in my head and writing how i feel about my Welsh.
I have spoken welsh once with one person in Oxford this summer, yes life/work gets
in the way at times.

The positives are look how far you have come and how you have inspired others.
Many on here would give you a gold star for determination and entertainment.
keep doing what you are doing which will help others do the same.

Cheers J.P.

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Tatjana, Iā€™m sure no one will think that you would damage other learners.
We are chatting every week for at least 1 1/2 hours, nearly only in Welsh with the odd word in English or German.
And we are speaking about everything, politics, sports, learning, about Wales, Slowenia, Germany, raising children, work and I canā€™t imagine anything that we didnā€™t mention (well, maybe nuclear physic). So how can you say that youā€™re not advanced? What would you count as advanced? A poet, someone who speaks perfectly?
I started learning English 50 years ago and my English is still very basic. I use too many : go, do, have, thing, etc. where I know better words. I enjoy reading posts on the forum that are written in really good English and I know, that Iā€™ll never be able to write in the same way. But I see myself as one who can speak English and can speak Welsh.
So go back to learning and stop running yourself down.:wink: Iā€™m looking forward to our next sgwrs Ddydd Sadwrn.

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A very kind, extremely helpful Welsh speaker who would never damage anyone one made me a beautiful video when I was feeling down about my own Welsh journey. You can watch it here :wink: I hope it cheers you up as much as it did me :slight_smile:

Be kind to yourself. Just keep on with learning, as much or as little as you can, when you feel like it. We are all going at our own pace, and no one is competing with anyone else. But never doubt that you can speak Welsh, and never ever think that youā€™ve disappointed anyone.

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It isnā€™t learning you need, Fach, but ymarfer, ymarfer, ymarfer! You live furher from Wales than I do, so you have to rely on Skype and repeating what youā€™ve done before. Repetition leads to boredom and if you have a gap, you forget because you get no practice at all! Anyone living in Wales has some chance of using the language, if itā€™s only watching Cyw!

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Hmmm ā€¦ let me think ā€¦ It was my head, Iā€™m sure it was. :slight_smile:

Yes, thank you. I walked some way in deed.

Well, thank you. I didnā€™t loose that determination for sure just that tieme isnā€™t my alley and many times being on the bus Iā€™d have all the time to do something but Iā€™m simply too tired. However I am reading/listening to books now in all kinds of languages I know. At the moment I am finishing listening to ā€œMartha, Jack a Siancoā€ which @margaretnock kindly shared audio recording with me. I intend to read this same book Margaret kindly sent to me some time after visiting me to establish howā€™s Welsh reading going with me. From the time Iā€™ve listened to the last chapter (it was Chapter 26 if iā€™m correct) and until now (Iā€™ve came to the chapter 33 last week) I found out I understand much more than I did last time so yes, this is positive thing to hang on. :slight_smile:

Yes, @brigitte, we speak about 1 to 1/2 hour a week all kinds of themes (even maybe a bit of Sci-Fi when word comes to my son and his learning). But Iā€™d count one being advanced who would at least be able to use some of those shortenings. Youā€™re in that range while Iā€™m not yet. This is not a comparrison but just a finding.

Did no one tell you that you speak (and write) excellent English.

Iā€™m running ā€¦ back to learning ā€¦ and itā€™s not that hard, just realizing some things, thatā€™s all. That interview really needed a lot of editing what made me think about what I still have to (re)learn.

So do I!

Thank you. Yes, I do remember that video. Youā€™re always so kind. But with harming someone I actually meant about speaking. One in early stage of learning could get confused, thatā€™s all I meant.

Yes, here I should agree with you @henddraig.

Thank you all for a bit of cheer up. And, speaking about videos (sorry it has nothing to do with learning Welsh though) ā€¦ Iā€™m doing a lot of stuff, not just learning Welsh and to cheer you up, Iā€™d like to share this one with you today. Itā€™s titled Night Traveling and I created this music much earlier than animation but this all just gets together really nicely.

Diolch am popeth bawb ac ioyo.

Hwyl!
Tatjana :slight_smile:

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So glad you are enjoying Martha, Jac a Sianco, even though it isnā€™t a very happy story. If it makes you feel any better, I still hear new things in it every time I listen to it.

Three cheers for @tatjana. Hwre, Hwre, Hwre

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You are so talented and creative! Your music is lovely and the video is mesmerizing. Thanks for sharing it! :slight_smile:

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Yes, itā€™s rather sad story and it took me time to figure out whoā€™s who in the story. At the beginning there seams to be so many names (Judy, Jack, Sianco, Ben (I believe it is Ben)) etc and the most memorabile ā€œsceneā€ I understood all perfectly too well even at the beginning was that one with a little bottle of strychnine. It really struck me. The little word made me listen to all the rest even more carefully. Now the scenes with stroke, hospital happenings etc, I understand actually quite perfectly. That scene about buying the piano and how Martha actually couldnā€™t play was quite fine to understand too. And I understand Judy is actually greedy only for money and when she saw thereā€™s nothing for her anymore she took what (thought) is hers and went ā€¦ Life catching story really. When my mother died my father found very similar person to that so I understand this even more even in Welsh. :slight_smile: Iā€™m sure Iā€™ll go through it one way or another at least one more time until I wonā€™t be sure I understood everything perfectly clear. :slight_smile: To be honest inserts of English (since Judy canā€™t speak Welsh) help to understand some parts so itā€™s actually, if even a bit devastating at times, a good story for learners of a bit advanced level to read.

Hwre for you @margaretnock! Hwre, Hwre, Hwre :slight_smile: Youā€™re always so helpful and kind to everyone. Diolch.

Thank you @AnnaC Sometimes I have some inspirational moments. At the moment Iā€™m playing with various graphic software to test which is better and animation was always my playground apart from learning languages. But with a bit of excercise - as with languages - everyone can be creative. I canā€™t draw for example but with the aid of some software I managed to do some quite good works (for my soul mostly). :slight_smile: For some of such things you here on this forum were great inspiration.

So, you see, if I wouldnā€™t find SSi and start to learn Welsh might be Iā€™d not do as half of things I do now. :slight_smile:

Well, @aran and @Iestyn with founding SSiW youā€™re responsible for many more good things than just helping Welsjh to live and us to learn it. Diolch yn fawr iawn in deed! :slight_smile:

Oh, what equivalents ā€œin deedā€ in Welsh?

Hwyl!
Tatjana :slight_smile:

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Should? Compared to whom?

Donā€™t slip into this kind of negative self-judgement, Tatjana - it only hurts you, and it has no base in reality. The vast majority of our learners would be delighted to be able to spend hours on the phone using almost only Welsh.

So you donā€™t use short forms very often? Guess what, neither do Iā€¦:slight_smile:

How often you use short forms is NOT a very good measuring tool for your achievements.

How often you speak Welsh, by contrast, IS.

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Siancoā€™s dog is called Bob.
The piano comes from Gwynfor but Martha never actually plays it.
Iā€™d probably listened half a dozen times before realising that Martha had a baby in her teens which was born too early and died. She told no one at the time, and only Sianco much later on.

That is a really lovely thing, @tatjana! Iā€™m not sure quite what it is, and canā€™t imagine how you made it, but it is lovely!!

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Thank you. This is animation made with the software Amberlight 2 where you actually play with the rays of light and darkness, putting their spots all around in connected fields which do such amazing things. There are 500 frames of animation with precisity of 2500 dots per picture. It takes time to create and to render aswell. Besides learning languages and music I was always interested in such things. Iā€™m not hard to find on FB or YouTube and there are many of such and similar things.

Music Iā€™ve created with program called Music Maker and is really easy to use. A bit of insights of tonality and rhythm and here you are ā€¦

Wowo ā€¦ now I see how much I still didnā€™t understand. I didnā€™t ā€œhearā€ this fact about Marthaā€™s too early born baby. Yes, I need to re-read/listen to it ā€¦ it might occur this time. And I understood that part about Martha actually didnā€™t play the piano but I didnā€™t qute understand why she got it in the first place. She bought it I understood (might be wrongly) though.

Compared to myself and my expectations.

:slight_smile:This comforts me. :slight_smile:

Just for the fun of it I greet someone (different people every day though) in Welsh. it brings smiles to both sides - me and the greeted person. Then sometimes some questions follow. Hopefully at one point something else comes after questions ā€¦ questions yng Nghymraeg for example. :slight_smile:

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I finished Martha, Jack a Sianco today and so, just to establish if I understood this correctly: Martha looses both brothers at the end ā€¦?

The end is even more sad than I thought.

She loses both brothers. Yes.

My understanding is quite fine then yes. And they had drunk or/and eaten something ā€¦ The dog survived though, didnā€™t it?

The dog survived, and didnā€™t seem to miss Sianco at all.

So I found the S4C Drama in 3 parts on YouTube. Iā€™m going to watch it to help me with understanding the whole story. Itā€™s in Welsh so will do no harm. :slight_smile: However Iā€™ve peared into the last scene ā€¦ yah, more or less what Iā€™ve imagined and how I imagined.

For all the rest: I didnā€™t use the dictionary while listening even once. I wanted to really hear/listen and understand. Neither did I put the subtitles on while watching the last scene.

Might be I do well after all anyway. :slight_smile:

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