Welsh Spoken Here/Use Your Welsh Here App

@jamesmahoney shame the map idea didn’t get into the Tricider that @leiafee set up. Having said that I see it as the first step in a ‘gamification’ project that came second (results here) in the ‘More people USING:’ category.

It could easily be used to start playing games for yourself, for example, I could try and visit all the locations in Denbighshire in one month. Or I could try and find three new places each month. etc.

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I like that idea. You could even start getting clever - posters in each location with a QR code to scan with your phone, pokemon go style…

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Brilliant! You could set up all sorts of challenges, your own personal ones, group ones, ‘rite of passage’ types, temporary ones e.g. at an eisteddfod. If the poster was kept behind the counter, then interaction in Welsh to ask to scan it is a conversation opener, and a way of the person in the location knowing that participating in the scheme is helping bring the public into their business.

But as you suggest, probably best to keep it simple at first. I like your proposed architecture, much more open than a wordpress plugin.

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That’s still more sophisticated than a list of locations and an edit page :wink:

Curation in this case means there’s a human implementing application logic in version 1 e.g. they make the decision about vetting the grading of welsh from your example, or checking for duplicate locations. Yep, more work for the human but it means that the web site can be super, super simple, and thus quick to get in place.

Then if this gains some traction we can build that logic into the web app itself.

If the poor curator for a county is overwhelmed with 100’s of location suggestions a day then woo hoo, and yep, a voting system it is!

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Maybe that’s innovative enough for the cymraeg 2050 funding!

Perhaps a chance for people with an artistic side to produce a variety of different posters, then your goal is to collect them all…

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Just as a possible addition to this system, to feed into other projects (see voting results here)…

If every user has a profile, and a blog space, then the really keen user could upload stories of their travels and interaction experiences. The content of the blogs could then, with user permission, become part of the, ‘Profile success stories’ project. The system could also be used to identify potential ‘Local champions’ as part of that project.

Also,

Which could feed into the ‘Promote intrigue/challenge/fun’ project/theme.

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I think an interactive map is a great idea. A voting style has merit but I’ve no idea about the practicalities so I can’t comment on those bits.

A map definitely gets a vote from me though.

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The system used to set up personal or group challenges?

An area per user you can fill with your own content sounds interesting. There are a lot of “lesson progress” threads on the forum, and from time to time people post links to blogs they’ve set up documenting their Welsh learning journey, but unless you’re willing to scroll back in time through the forum all that stuff might as well not exist.

Something to bring all that together, or provide a place where it can live permanently, has a nice ring to it.

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Though on this subject - a quick win would be to build an index of all this useful forum content, and then expose it some way. e.g. links to it from the profile success stories wotsit.

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Could also look at a paper based version too. Just include a numerical code on each poster. This would help those without access to a smart phone, those not comfortable with technology, but also school and other groups.

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Does this thread need splitting off at this point, out of the idea dump, it’s sort of taking over a bit! Anyone know how to do that? Is splitting the thread admin only?

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I’m just going out, Warren, but if no-one else has done it by this evening, I’ll happily do it. Where’s the best place to make the split?

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OK. I think we were discussing different aspects of the process. You were talking about a gatekeeper for the initial listings, I was talking about ‘reviews’ by subsequent users, which looks like it’s out of scope for the time being.
Sorry about this, it’s just that my entire career since the early 'nineties has focussed on getting unnecessary human intervention out of processes, so I’m a bit sensitive to this stuff. :wink:

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Done it. I think I split it in the correct place. :slight_smile:

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@robbruce @hewrop thanks guys.

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We’ve come up with a quite a few ideas now. I’ve tried below to put them in some kind of priority order. Does everyone agree with this order?

Stage 1 (Pilot);

  1. A map which locates Welsh speaking opportunities, submitted by general public to an admin team.

Stage 2 (Automation):
2) A map which locates Welsh speaking opportunities, submitted by registered users to be automatically added.

Stage 3 (Gameification):
3) Users have ability to record and rate their interactions at locations.
4) Users can take part in pre-defined challenges.

Stage 4 (Social):
5) Users can set up custom defined challenges, and share them if they wish.
6) Users have a public profile, they can join and form groups and ‘follow’ other users.
7) Users have a blog space which they can optionally complete as often as they wish.

@jamesmahoney your very generous offer of tech help should makes a Stage 1 pilot sound like it could happen. What do you think would be required to move to Stage 2/3/4? How far could you or would you want to take this on your own?

What do other people think… is there enough interest in this to make it a project? Is it a case of getting stage 1 up and running and then seeing the level of interest? Or is that jumping the gun? @ji_1 @TomCasnewydd @leiafee What do you guys (or anyone else!) think? :relaxed:

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Rhaid i chdi ddal nhw pawb! (Or something like that…)

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This sounds a fantastic idea - Unfortunately I don’t think that I’d be able to contribute a great deal on the technical side of things(!) but more than happy to submit info regarding locations in the Newport area (I work as a Community Development Officer for the local Menter Iaith) and dedicate time towards getting local businesses, organisations, schools, youth forums and learner groups on board / involved with the gameification and social aspects.

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I like the term “gatekeeper”. Just so long as no keymaster gets involved…

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If I start now, maybe I’ll be done by 2050…

But it almost feels more like three ideas going on here

  1. Welsh practice locations
  2. Gamification/challenge site/app
  3. Myspace for Welsh learners to document their journey

Welsh practice locations

It’s straightforward. Capture locations, plot them on a map. I’m happy to look at a pilot for this. (Simple at first, with an eye to Skynet style total automation and future world domination (bydda i’n bod yn ol, perhaps?))

Gamification/challenge site/app

To take this one further needs enthusiastic people to organise challenges and come up with ways to gameify things. You mentioned a paper based system - perhaps that’s a starting point - go ultra low tech to see what works, and then put effort into automating it.

Welsh learner myspace

dysgwyr.com, maybe…

Is it something that gets integrated into the ssi forum? Is it a standalone thing? Are there platforms around already for building this kind of thing?

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