Me, myself and I


#21

diolch i fi?
na, diolch i Aran!
diolch iddo fo?
ie
dim diolch i Catrin Lliar Jones?
dw i ddim yn siwr, diolch iddi hi hefyd, dw i’n meddwl

dim diolch idd?? Iestyn a Beca a Nia a Gruntius? dim diolch idd?? nhw?
Diolch iddofe, fe, Iestyn, hwntw/De, wrth gwrs… Ond…

Sôri for hijacking a bit your exchange @Aran with @rowly, but I just want to start widening out my pronouns - diolch i ti, i chi, i Rowly & ymlaen…

:wink:


#22

Whoa, hold your horses here folks - mi and fi are variants, not mutated forms… :slight_smile: So you’ll hear both ‘i mi’ and ‘i fi’, depending only on personal taste…


#23

Well now you’ve just gone and ruined it…! Just as I thought I was learning something new and exciting, you’ve taken the wind out of my sails… taken the rug out from under my feet… wee weed on my bonfire. Meanie. :stuck_out_tongue:


#24

Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi , after all!


#25

What you’re looking for is “iddyn nhw” but if you put names then it’s just “i” - diolch i Iestyn a Beca …


#26

wps!..mae’n ddrwg gen i Aran. I had always thought of the “fi” as a mutation, but a sort of optional one.


#27

Yndy tad. I did only say it was sometimes mutated… :wink:

(even if it turns out that fi not actually a mutation, after all).


#28

Although actually @aran , in http://geiriadur.ac.uk/gpc/gpc.html the entry for “fi” starts thus:

fi

[ff. dreigledig mi , ac weithiau talf. o myfi ]
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#29

I think that’s turning into a point of etymology now - the important point to note here for SSiW learners is that in terms of usage, mi/fi is about personal taste, rather than rules of mutation… :slight_smile:


#30

Yes, that’s the point. The variation between mi and fi - whatever its etymological origin - is not dictated by mutation triggers like most mutated forms are. If it were, then nobody would say i mi - but squillions do, both in the Land of Gog and of course also back on Phobos, moon of Mars and distant homeplanet of the Gogs. :+1:


#31

I thought that was Troy… :slight_smile:


#32

No, Mike - you’re thinking of Stingray there, I think…