Tiny questions with quick answers - continuing thread


#5016

:smile:


#5017

I hope this doesn’t upset @RichardBuck :grin: but I have a couple more question about this, because of the examples I found, two are like those above:
Mae yna ddwsinau o wahanol ryseitiau = there are dozens of different recipes
Mae 'na lot o wahanol gaws yn fan’ma = there are lots of different cheeses here
(from the TV)

But all the others, are like this:
Mae caws yn yr oergell = there is cheese in the fridge
(from @garethrking Modern Welsh Dictionary)

Mae jazz lan lloft = there’s jazz upstairs
Mae pob pwynt achwyn ar = there’s every point to complain about
Ac mae jelly dros pen cassette = And there’s jelly over the cassette head :rofl:
(from song lyrics)

So is it just a matter of areas, or North/South? Or there’s any other subtle difference between them?

And just to add a little confusion…
is the difference between there is and it’s the 'n?

Mae’n un o brif gynhwysion y resait = It’s one of the main recipes
mae’n wyth deg pump ceiniog = it’s eightyfive pence

But then why is this one different?
Mae e i gyd fel papur newydd bore = it’s like a morning newspaper


#5018

Essentially yes. There is no yn needed when Mae… means There is/are…

Because what follows the mae here is not an adjective or a noun, it’s (ignoring the i gyd which is just added information stuck onto the e) the word fel.

Mae hi’N brysur - She’s busy (adjective)
Mae hi’N athrawes - She’s a teacher (noun)
Mae hi fel ei mam - She’s like her mother (neither)


#5019

they never replaced the Cymraeg on that ATM ochnaid sigh


#5020

Mae 'na” is heard mainly in the north (although some Welsh medium schools run by gogs in the South can teach kids northern dialects)

HOWEVER … I must stick up for the quiet North East in which - Mae 'ne can be still seen written/heard especially towards the border.(and definitely around Wrecsam!)

Mae 'na is a shorterning of ‘Mae yna’

Yna = there
Yno - there
Fan 'na = there (fan = place/spot)

(South: You also hear fan 'co and fan’cw - which stems from ‘yonder’ I think originally (- yn y fan acw)


#5021

Can I ask about “o lawer” as in things like “yn fwy ysgafn o lawer” . Is the “o lawer” the equivalent of saying “much” as in "much
lighter "? or does it mean something else altogether?


#5022

yes, it’s the equivalent of by far / by much / by a long way/ by a lot


#5023

diolch - it felt like that from the context, but couldn’t find it written down anywhere.


#5024

The link I posted in the ‘oddi wrth’ thread ( www.geiriadur.net ) is very handy in cases like this - you can put in the phrase, then make sure you choose ‘Everything’, ‘Welsh into English’ and ‘part of a word or phrase’ in the relevant boxes. (screen grab below for example)
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#5025

Another way to say ‘by a long way’ is: ‘o bell ffordd

I see this in local newspapers, but is it good Welsh?


#5026

Lesson 3 of 6 months, north wales.

Bore da!
Dwi wedi yn cwestiwn (??)
Pam (??) fedra I ddim canfod (??) “liciwn”…

Ok, that’s where my welsh runs out.

Good morning all!
I have a question.
Why can’t I find “liciwn” as a word that’s translateable anywhere on the internet?
Is it another ‘slang’ term?
Is it a break down of another verb?

Please help, thanks :slight_smile:

Also, I’ve been frowned at for using “Sut mae?” apparently that’s too informal and too southwales, what other way is there to ask someone how they are doing? (The frowner did tell me, but I forgot it and didn’t write the two phrases down)


#5027

S’mae @genna, liciwn is the “I would like” form of the verb licio (to like). You won’t find it in its conjugated form in dictionaries, but Geiriadur yr Academi for one does list licio. There are Welsh speakers who consider it a slang form (a corruption of the English), but actually it’s been around for a long time and is perfectly acceptable.

I’m not sure how sut mae is too South - you’re more likely to hear sut mae in the North and shwmae in the South! Anyway, they are both basically ‘hi’, so for something a little more formal, you could say sut wyt ti or shwd wyt ti (or even more formally, or when saying it to more than one person - sut dach chi or shwd dach chi).

Don’t pay too much attention to frowners - most Welsh speakers would not even have commented, would have accepted it without question and be overjoyed that you are learning, but unfortunately it’s the odd few frowners who can dent your confidence that you always remember - don’t let them put you off, you’re doing fine!


#5028

Sure… :slight_smile:

I’d recommend avoiding the frowner rather than changing your language use here… :slight_smile:


#5029

Saw this regarding “Y Fari lwyd” tradition in winter … how is “cennad” best used? (gennad in picture)

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#5030

Nah, she’s usually very helpful with my Welsh attempts. But thanks, it’s good to know that I’m going the right way


#5031

Thanks!!!
I was paranoid about using it in public just in case a little old lady threw scorn on me for it.


#5032

There’s a very good dictionary that lists it :slight_smile:


#5033

And adding to @siaronjames 's excellent answer, you sometimes see it listed as leicio rather than licio, though the latter is closer to most people’s normal pronunciation of it.

And as Siaron implied, only the fanatics frown on this perfectly acceptable and accepted loanword - it actually makes you sound more like a native if you use it rather than hoffi, I always think! Hoffi is dangerously close to learner-Welsh really. Can I say that? :confused: Well I just did, anyway! :slight_smile:


#5034

http://geiriadur.bangor.ac.uk would have given you “licio” from “liciwn”.

http://www.gweiadur.com is even better in that respect, as it offers the full conjugation listing for all verbs. Unfortunately, you have to register (free), and for the time being, they are not accepting new registrations. (Worth keeping an eye on though, in case they open them up again. It has some other nice features - such as playing the sound of many (not all) words, and spoken by a human, not a computer).

…wps…however, when I searched it for “liciwn”, it didn’t find “licio”. It doesn’t even respond to “licio”, but it does have “leicio” (but it doesn’t respond to “leiciwn”, although it does respond to “hoffwn” and points you to “hoffi”. hmm…curious.

Edit: it also doesn’t have the conjugated forms for “leicio”. Curioser. Perhaps they too are a bit snobbish about it being an “English” loan word (although Geiradur Prifysgol Cymru shows examples of it from around the 1600s).


#5035

Oh and I have that Great Dictionary - I’ll know where to look next time.