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Tiny questions with quick answers - continuing thread


#7933

Hi Siaron or anyone else in the North.
Wrth fy modd efo [whatever]. Is efo OK here?
I actually sent a message saying “Dwi’n dylu efo eich can chi”.
Guessing dylu is southern, wishing I’d just said “Dwi’n dylu gyda” now. :slight_smile:


#7934

After seeing this question I remembered this tweet from a while back. Basically you’re not supposed to say it like that but everyone does.

https://twitter.com/meimachuws/status/1338626435997716483?lang=ar

I think it’s “dwlu ar” in the South though.


#7935

@JohnYoung I think it’s “Dw i wrth fy modd efo (things) / yn (verbs) ie Dw i wrth fy modd efo caneuon gwerin / Dw i wrth fy modd yn nofio.

With dwlu you need to add the preposition “ar” ie Dw i’n dwlu ar ganeuon gwerin / Dw i’n dwlu ar nofio

Always happy to be corrected though!


#7936

Well you guys don’t need me on this one :rofl:

yes John, efo is fine there - as Gareth pointed out with Mei Mac’s tweet, it’s not technically correct but fine colloquially, and as Jenny said, dwlu needs an ar. :slight_smile:


#7937

Thanks, All.
That’s great


#7938

Noswaith dda bawb!

Am I right in translating ganwas fach as “brat”? Or is there a more accurate translation? (I’ve read this in a novel I’m reading, I’ve not got anyone in mind with this one I promise :joy:)

Diolch :slight_smile:


#7939

I think the official spelling is “cenawes”, which the dictionary says is a female cub or puppy. Obviously the translation would depend on the context and the level of affection or otherwise with which it was said but brat or rascal is probably somewhere in the right area with the “fach” following.


#7940

Hi I’m a newbie. I’m a bit confused about the “WY” pronunciation - I’ve heard the word ofnadwy pronounced with the “wy” sounding like “oy” in English “boy” and I’ve also heard ofnadwy with wy pronounced like English “wee”. Is there a “correct” way of saying this. Are there any rules for when wy = “oy” and when it = “wee”?
Thanks!


#7941

Hi Leyton! Croeso!

This is one comes with a good deal of freedom. Both are said and accepted. Sometimes you’ll find that people who say ofnad-oy with say wee elsewhere.

For example, St Asaph is Llanelwy, i tend to hear that as closer to Llanelway than Llaneloy.

So, both are heard and it’s a bit of personal preference. You’ll find the way that suits you depending on the accent you hear the most, and then just roll with the variation.

Hope that helps :grimacing:


#7942

Apparently gnawas is a bit stronger than that :flushed:

Closer the English use of female dog


#7943

Thanks Anthony - that’s very helpful! Is there a resource where I can check pronunciations? The Cymraeg voice synth. on google translate is awful - sounds like a robot! (I couldnt decipher how it was rendering “ofnadwy”!)
Thanks!


#7944

I’m not sure about resources. I was very fortunate to have a very patient and willing Welsh speaker who was happy to practice pronunciation with me. Then it was a case of trial and error.
Getting to grips with the vowel pronunciations really helps with Welsh. If you can stomach children’s songs, Cyw from S4C have some great alphabet songs.


#7945

Thanks Anthony - I will check out S4C - I have watched some kids cartoons on there before (I quite enjoy them!). I’m ok with most pronunciation, but the variation in the wy pronunciation has confused me recently. Now that I know ofnadwy is variable I can live with that. Awyr is another one that got me recently - I now pronounce it as “a-wir”, which I think is ok.


#7946

Just to add to the mix, you’ll also hear people saying “ofnadw” with “doo” at the end as if the “y” isn’t even there :slight_smile:


#7947

Thanks Deborah - I’ll listen out for that version! Funnily enough I turned on Radio Cymru earlier (I try to have it on in the background even though I understand very little) and one of the first sentences I heard had the word ofnadwy (pronounced as “oy”)


#7948

It’s uncanny how often that happens. You learn a new word thinking “I’ve never noticed anyone using that word”, and suddenly it pops up everywhere :smile:


#7949

When I first learned rhywbeth I was surprised how often I heard it on Radio Cymru! The Radio definitely helps my vocab - if I hear words I dont recognise (most of them!) but they turn up a lot then I make sure to look them up.
Heard gwasyneidr (dragonfly) mentioned today - I knew neidr (thanks to Duolingo) so looked it up - great to find out dragonfly translated literally is “servant of the snake” - wont forget that!:blush:


#7950

I cant state how much Radio Cymru has helped (and still does help) me learn Welsh; I have listened to it pretty much constantly for three years and it’s an amazing resource. I hear stuff on there a lot and wonder what it is and one day you just kind of ‘get’ what they are saying without having to learn it actively. It’s surprising how much repetition there is in a language and how much your brain wants to work it out - I guess like I learned english off my parents!! If I don’t get something I usually ask my friend who explains/confirms that it is what I think it is. They sometimes laugh at some of the things I come out with cos it’s “radio Cymru/S4C Welsh”!


#7951

Thanks Martin - I’m glad to hear Im on the right track with this. When I first started listening to R. Cymru it was pretty much untintelligible but it is becoming clearer the more I’m listening - my vocabulary is growing but it’s more than that, it’s almost like my brain is getting used to distinguishing individual words when listening to Welsh speech, even if I dont yet know the meaning of all the words. I guess its the new neural pathways being formed as mentioned in the SSIW challenges!


#7952

You have hit the nail on the head there. I found that it really helped build the skill of separating sentences that sound like one long word into individual words. Plus the shows after 6.30 are brilliant for new music and great interviews etc.