Writing a booklet about the SSi Method - looking for your experiences

I’m another person who needs to be doing something else at the same time to get the most out of the lessons and challenges. When I first started Course 1 in January 2016, I found that I could only do about 10/15 minutes at a time before my mind would start to wander and I’d have to stop. I spent about 3 months getting to lesson 13, and then gave up (temporarily) as I was getting really frustrated.

I started up again in November 2016, whilst on holiday for 10 days. By the time I arrived back in the UK, I had not only recapped all the material in lessons 1-13, but had actually progressed as far as lesson 19 (I think). The difference was that I’d started doing Welsh at the same time as doing something else. Having finished Course 1 by the end of December 2016, I then sped through the entire of Level 1 too before Bwtcamp (whilst trying and failing to learn the Bwtcamp vocab). Since Bwtcamp, I have been tackling both Level 2 and Course 2 at the same time. I’m already almost a third of the way through both :slight_smile:

About half the time, I’m crafting whilst SSIWing. Perhaps I ought to start posting some of my finished items in my progress thread, as well as my progress updates…

I’ve also discovered that Welsh is brilliant distraction on a long slow workout. I used to have a 7.5 mile beautiful training route round the Gloucestershire countryside. Now I have to do my training on a cycle circuit (where you can see the entire track from anywhere on the circuit), or in the gym. A SSIW lesson or challenge makes it much more fun.

I don’t have a problem with not using the pause button, but I do tend to need to repeat lessons/challenges. If I move on too soon, I end up at a point a couple of lessons later when everything goes to pot. I’ve found this can be mitigated by repeating them until I can get more than 80% right and out before Catrin starts speaking. This normally takes no more than 3 goes. To avoid ‘learning the lesson’, I alternate between lessons and challenges each day (for example, yesterday I did lesson 9, today I did challenge 8, and tomorrow I’ll repeat lesson 9 for the second time).

I held off reading until I’d finished both Course 1 and Level 1. I probably would have held off reading for longer, but someone suggested a trip to Palas Print, where my bank card took quite a hit. Haven’t been able to stop reading since. My vocabulary has massively increased in the last two months, both in terms of the words that I can recall on demand, and words that I would recognise in context (but couldn’t necessarily recall on demand).

I have problems with pronunciation. “ch” I can say inconsistently, but it depends on the position in the word. I’m more likely to be able to say “ch" correctly in the middle or at the end of a word than at the beginning. I can say “ll" correctly, but I have a tendency to accidentally interchange “ll" and “s”. "Dewis rhywbeth arall” was a particular bugbear a month or so back. I can sometimes roll my rs, but again, it depends on where it is in the word.

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@jennifer1 @Jane - thank you both so much for such detailed feedback - hugely helpful! Diolch o galon :star: :star2:

I had a rule where I had to progress through one lesson a day . If I got through the lesson ok , getting most of it correct then I would wait until the next day and do the next lesson . If I struggled and felt like it hadn’t all gone in then I would repeat it that same day until I felt like it had settled in my brain . I would say that I repeated lessons more often than not. I went through all the new course and the old course in around 6 months . I used the pause button quite leberaly as I wanted the chance to answer before Catrin or it felt like it was all just washing over me. When I go back over the lessons now (as I still do a lesson every day) I now get the lesson 100% correct all the time without needing to use the pause button at all . It’s a sign of progress to think that a lot of these lessons once felt quite impossible to me .
I never actually got in to the listening exersizes properly . I tried them every now and then and found them impossible to follow. I just listened to a lot of radio Cymru instead . A couple of weeks ago , out of interest , I tried some of the listening exersizes to see how I got on with them now. To my surprise I found them so easy to understand it was just like listening to English !
I am lucky as I have my daughter to speak Welsh with at home (she has learned Welsh at school ) this has no doubt been a big help to me but it is nowhere near the same experience or challenge of speaking with a native Welsh speaker. I get quite a lot of opportunity to speak Welsh some days through work and I try to visit Welsh speaking areas when I can to practice my Welsh but I feel like I would really benefit by being completely immersed in the language for a good couple of weeks , perhaps somewhere like the Eisteddfod . I find strong accents and different dialects very hard to understand. Whereas I understand some people with relative ease , there are some people I don’t understand at all
I find that although I came out of school not able to have a basic conversation in Welsh , despite getting a GCSE C grade in it , there is a lot of vocabulary that I still remember from my school days that has undoubtedly been a big help to me.
I have still not started reading in Welsh at all . I started off only wanting to know how to speak the language and while I know most other people do a lot of reading in Welsh , it just hasn’t interested me at all for some reason , but I now feel like this is holding me back . I started doing Duolingo a couple of months ago which has helped with my Welsh writing and spelling a bit . It is quite a useful course but the words just don’t stick in my head like they do with SSIW . I would like to start reading more in Welsh now as I’m beginning to realise that it too is an important part of the learning process and it would also help to extend my vocabulary .
I never struggled at all with rolling my rs or with ll and ch. I found that they all came quite naturally to me . I think that it would definitely help more with my speaking and sounding more natural if I had more of a Welsh accent but this isn’t a big hinderence . (The Welsh accent got lost in my village with my generation)
It is a frustrating feeling when you feel like you have reached a plateau . I seem to have more plateaus as time goes on .There are some days where something happens to make me realise that I have most definitely progressed , weather it be having a really good Welsh conversation or understanding a conversation on radio Cymru and other days where it feels like my progress has stopped or I am even going backwards . I think it’s important to remember that as long as you are committed , you will be progressing slowly all the time , even if it doesn’t feel like it . Strangely it seems the more I progress the more I realise just how far I still have to go . It’s really important to get as much exposure as possible . There will be a lot of embarrassing / awkward moments but these don’t seem to bother me as much as they used to . I think learning Welsh must make you more thick skinned :grinning:
Hope this helps :slight_smile:

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I was in Machynlleth yesterday and met up for coffee with another SSiW’er and we chatted for a bit about accents. Understanding peoples accents comes with exposure and practice so that’s something that comes with time, but what we both agreed was that using the SSiW method makes us, as learners, sound more natural. She mentioned that the learners she knows who are only using the evening class kind of route often don’t quite sound certain letters correctly and that echoed the comment that I had from a first language Welsh hill farmer who was complimenting my accent, saying that I had a natural sounding accent, and didn’t sound like I’d been learning for less than a year.
Shows (to me at least) how the whole listen and repeat approach and ignore word lists. reading, writing, etc etc in the first instance works so well and allows us to develop a good ear for the language.

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Gwych - diolch yn fawr @sam84 a @Richmountart :star: :star2:

I first encountered SSiW approximately a year ago, and have been dipping in and out of it (the southern Welsh lessons, with Iestyn and Cat) since then.

I have occasional short bursts where I do lessons for several days running, then life gets in the way and I don’t do a lesson for weeks on end - although I do make the effort to revise what I’ve learned so far, having conversations with myself in my head. I often do this in bed late at night if I can’t sleep.

So far, coming and going like this, I’ve got up to lesson 18 in level 1 of what I think is the “old” course. And that leads me to the first point I want to make. I don’t know for certain whether I’m doing the old course or the new course. I don’t know how they’re different. I don’t know why or when they became different. I only know when reading the forum, people often refer to the old courses and the new levels, or the old levels and the new challenges, or heaven knows what, and I have no idea what they’re talking about.

I gather they mean some or all of the lessons were revised, with new recordings and/or new vocabulary lists, or whatever. But I’m only guessing. All I can say is, I’m doing whatever South Welsh lessons were on the website just over a year ago, because that’s when I first encountered SSiW and downloaded them.

I’m sure somewhere or other in this forum, or in the FAQ, is a straightforward, concise explanation of the overall structure of SSiW, what it consists of, why it used to have courses and now has levels or vice versa and where these things called challenges fit in, and whatever else a newcomer needs to know. I have gone looking for such an explanation, but I haven’t found it, and sorry, I can’t spare the time to look further, because this forum is truly vast in size and very daunting for a newcomer. It does make up for its daunting size in warmth and friendliness! But I hate asking questions that have already been asked and answered time and time again, which is why I haven’t mentioned this until now. I’ve been trying to find the answer on my own, with no luck.

Anyway. I am pleased to read that @aran is writing a User Guide. I think SSiW has been crying out for one for quite a while, to help ease the newcomer into it.

To answer your specific questions:

Not using the pause button: I gave that my very, very best shot, but it just did not work for me. I stuck it out for three whole lessons, during which I said almost nothing at all before Cat’s voice kicked in, and worse, by the end of the third non-pausing lesson, I was at the point where I wouldn’t even have known what to say any more even if I’d had plenty of time to say it. The new information was now coming too fast for me to take it in. My Welsh had barely improved by a syllable for three lessons, and the only thing not-pausing was doing was making me cross and feel like chucking it in. More details in this post. So I decided to ignore the don’t-pause instruction. I backtracked three lessons, paused as much as I wanted, and made a whole lot more progress. I felt considerably better when @aran explained that it was probably my well-below-average working memory that was to blame. Not pausing is probably a perfectly fine and even desirable approach for most people. I don’t want to discourage people from giving it a try. It just didn’t work for me.

Not repeating lessons: I did try that too, but discovered it just didn’t work for me, for much the same reason as not pausing didn’t work. So now, I repeat lessons if I didn’t quite grasp an explanation the first time, or if I’ve forgotten a word, or even if I just feel like it. I don’t get bored repeating lessons; on the contrary, I feel quite triumphant after playing the same lesson three or four times and realising just how much more I can get right now than the first time I did that lesson.

Do the listening exercises. I’m not even sure what that means. Is it something to do with the new course? Or is it something I will encounter further along than the stage I’ve got to at the moment?

Get a conversation partner. I probably should. But I’m feeling shy. I tend to completely dry up under pressure and it would be very embarrassing to be on the end of a Skype conversation with literally nothing to say, or not understanding what is said to me.

Put off reading. Now this, in my opinion, is SSiW’s greatest strength - the fact that it doesn’t require you to read, at least in the early stages. I love this. I LOVE it. And why I love it is best illustrated by comparing it to Duolingo.

Alongside SSiW, I’ve also been dipping in and out of Duolingo (out of curiosity - I heard of it via an online friend learning Swedish) - and I have to say, if I were only using Duolingo, I’d be making very little real progress. Sure, I’d be ticking off the Duolingo lessons completed, but as for real conversational progress in Welsh - nope. Not happening. SsiW suits me far better.

Duolingo does have audio, but (in Welsh, anyway) it’s a robot voice rather than a real one, and, primarily, Duolingo is a visual medium. It requires you to read, and to spell. There’s no getting round it. It is tolerant of the occasional typo, but nothing more than that. If you spell a word wrongly, then bzzzzzt, you got it wrong, no matter how good your pronunciation may be.

Now, I’m a very good speller in English, but a shockingly bad speller in Welsh. When I look at words in Welsh, my eyes just glaze over, and as soon as I look away, I’ve forgotten what letters they contained, let alone what order they should be in. I often know how to pronounce words in Welsh, but not how to spell them. I type in my best attempt, but it’s wrong. I got the y and w around the wrong way, or I typed i instead of u, or yr instead of 'r, or r instead of rh, or whatever. Duolingo doesn’t care that I can pronounce it just fine. You got it WRONG! Spell it again, and keep spelling until you get it right. I find this tedious. I don’t care that I’m a poor speller in Welsh. I don’t need to read and write Welsh - not at this stage anyway. I want to speak it and to understand it when I hear it. Duolingo doesn’t care what my priorities are.

In contrast, SSiW is a totally aural approach, and I love it. The only reading I ever do in SSiW is confirming that I haven’t misheard consonants because of my slight hearing disability. Everything else is aural, and for me, that is how I learn best. And it’s a real voice - two real voices, even! - which tend to stick in my mind, not a stilted artificial voice.

What’s more, in SSiW the same words are repeated over and over again in countless different combinations - and that reinforcement is exactly what I need. Duolingo introduces new vocabulary at a faster rate than SSiW - but with minimal repetition (almost non-existent repetition for some words!), I find I’m forgetting Duolingo’s new words as fast as they’re introduced. They are almost literally going in one ear and out the other. In contrast, SSiW introduces new words more gradually, but I’m much more likely to retain them into the next lesson and beyond. So what seems to be slower progress in SSiW actually works out faster in the long run.

Accept all the different ways of saying the same thing. So far, not a big problem, although that could be because I haven’t yet been exposed many instances of it. I have, though, encountered one significant contradiction - I’ve been saying a certain phrase the SSiW way (or what I thought was the SSiW way), but a Welsh speaker on Duolingo’s discussion board said no, that’s just wrong. Hmmm. Puzzling. I might post about that in a different thread. But other than that, no problem so far.

Avoid worrying about grammar. This is another thing I really love about SSiW. Grammatical explanations are kept to a minimum. They’re not (and can’t be) zero, but they are drip-fed to us on a need-to-know basis. In other words, we are given just enough grammatical explanation to understand what we’re hearing and to understand how to use this particular construction. It’s probably an incomplete explanation, but that’s OK - we don’t need to know all the rest just yet. In a later lesson, that grammatical explanation is refined or expanded on. Later still, it’s refined or expanded on still further.

This drip-feeding approach to grammar is just fine with me. It sure beats the language teacher standing at the front of the class droning on about how today we’re going to be doing the pluperfect passive subjunctive, and here are the 46 different variations of it. (I like grammar, and even I find that sort of thing tedious!)

Avoid worrying about plateaus. I haven’t worried so far, but I think that’s partly because my plateaus have been self-inflicted, to a large degree - the result of my taking long breaks from lessons - and partly because I repeat lessons until I feel confident with the material. If I were actively doing SSiW lessons but forgetting things as fast as I learned them, as with Duolingo, I’d be a lot more concerned.

Getting used to saying R. I’ve never been the world’s greatest R-roller, but I get by. Don’t ask me to say rrrrrrrrr, but I can say R in words like prynu or rhoi without embarrassing myself too much, I think.

Getting used to saying Ll; Getting used to saying Ch Both very easy, but I have a degree in linguistics. I learned to say [ll] (a lateral fricative) in phonetics class, and as for [ch], I did German in school. Never had the slightest trouble saying either of them. (Hearing them is another thing altogether, because of my slight hearing disability, but that’s not an insurmountable problem. I just check each word in writing when it’s first introduced, to see whether the fricative is [ll] or [ch] or [dd] or [f] or [v] or whatever. As long as I know which one it’s meant to be, I can pronounce it just fine.)

That’s about all I can think of to say. Not sure if any of this is useful to you, @aran, but you can use whatever you like.

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I just thought of one more thing.

I’ve read in this forum that some people multitask while they are listening to the SSiW lessons. They do the ironing, or walk the dog, or drive, or whatever.

I can’t do that - and not just because I don’t have any gadget to play the recordings on, only a desktop computer. The reason I can’t do it is that I have to give SSiW my complete attention.

I switch off the light, put on my headphones, curl up in a comfortable armchair next to the computer, start up the recording (with finger poised ready to click on Pause), close my eyes, and concentrate 100% on the lesson. It’s the only way I can manage it. A couple of times I’ve tried doing mindless tasks at the same time such as shelling peas. Nope. Didn’t work. Not only did I keep having to fumble for the Pause button, but even having my eyes open made it impossible to concentrate.

I mention this in case there’s anyone else out there who is equally unable to multitask but has been reading how other people can do it and is wondering “What’s wrong with me?” There’s nothing wrong with you. Find whatever works for you, and do it. By all means be open to new suggestions, but don’t kick yourself if what works for other people doesn’t work for you. It’s not a race. What matters is that you make progress that you are happy with, and that you enjoy the journey.

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Thank you so much for that hugely interesting and detailed input, Matilda - really enormously helpful… :star: :star2:

If you’re in Level 1, that’s the new material… :slight_smile: When you click on Challenges (well, you have to click twice if you’re in the forum - once to take you to the lesson site, and then to open up the list of courses) you should see Level 1, Level 2, Level 3 and Old material - if you click on Old material, you’ll see Course 1, Course 2, Course 3… so the ‘Courses’ are the older stuff, and the ‘Levels’ are the newer stuff… :slight_smile:

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I’m the same. I can’t multi task while doing a lesson either . I have to give SSIW my full attention so I sit down in a quiet room with no noise where I won’t be disturbed

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@Matilda @Sam84 Me too - I like to sit with my full attention on the lesson, often with my eyes closed. I can review old lessons while doing something else (but not driving, I’ve tried that and I feel too distracted). I especially can’t deal with the long sentences if I’m doing something else.

@Matilda If you are doing the old Courses - which are called Course 1, etc. and have Lessons, then there are listening (and speaking) practices that go with them. They are listed under Daily Practices, and every week there is a new set of 5 practices. There is one set that you listen to after finishing Lesson 6, one set that you listen to after finishing Course 1, and another set to listen to after you finish Course 2. If you are doing the newer Levels, which are called Level 1, etc and have Challenges, then there is a listening practice after Challenge 5 which you listen to until you get to Challenge 10, one after Challenge 10, one after Challenge 15, one after Challenge 20, and one after Challenge 25.

If you need more help to find them (via the website or app) let me know and I can elaborate further.

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I should have mentioned that I was using the word “level” in a generic sense. Perhaps I should have said “stage”, to avoid confusion! So I’m not yet convinced I’m doing the new material.

But thanks to your explanations @aran and @AnnaC, I feel I now at least have a map, so to speak, showing the way through the SSiW forest. Sometime soon I’ll have a close look at this map, compare it with the audio lessons I downloaded a year or so ago, and figure out my “You are here” spot on it.

@AnnaC and @Sam84, it’s good to know I’m not the only one here who can only learn a language if there are no distractions. I suspect there’s more than a few of us like this, and I wanted to “out” myself just in case there was someone reading about all the clever multitasking SSiWers and thinking “I can’t do that. If they can walk/jog/iron/drive/juggle AND learn a language at the same time, they must be super smart, linguistically gifted people, and if that’s what it takes - well, I’ve always been hopeless at languages, I failed French in school, so I must be too thick or too untalented or too old to learn a new language.” You’re not. I firmly believe that.

To anyone I haven’t convinced yet: if you can read and completely understand what I’ve just written, then you’ve already learned one language well enough to read it. You are capable of learning a second, at least well enough to speak it.

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Aran
The intensive course sounds great. I want to progress from going to coffee mornings to learn Welsh to goinf as a social event.
Could we have a short chat on skype for you to assess if it would help me achieve this goal

I started using the original southern courses around October 2015. I nearly finished the first course, then my mp3 thingy broke and it took me a whole year to get around to getting a new one :smiley: Just last week I finished the final lesson, now I’ve moved on to the new challenges (still southern) and am up to challenge 8.

At first I was repeating lessons until I became confident. After reading more about the advantages of a faster approach (on here and on the Accelerated Welsh FB page) I tried to move on without repeating anything. But my progress was quite stop-start, and I have had to cave and repeat some lessons because I got really confused (a recent example: while going through the old course 3 I found I couldn’t distinguish between some of the present/future short forms and the past ones, and only when repeating the relevant lessons did I realise that there is just a very subtle difference in one vowel between some of the forms, e.g. welofe/welefe - apologies for that spelling, I have had zero practice at writing in Welsh!). Also, while I know mistakes are useful etc etc, and while I can recognise that I do make progress even while making lots of mistakes, I simply don’t find it very pleasurable to go through lessons where I’m hardly getting anything right - that has resulted in me being reluctant to do any more lessons. Sometimes I’ve got around that simply by forcing myself to do them even when I don’t feel like it, sometimes I’ve just listened to the lessons without trying to join in by saying the Welsh sentences (although eventually I find I can’t resist having a go), and sometimes I’ve taken a complete break and just listened to BBC Radio Cymru instead. I generally manage to avoid using the pause button, which is not that convenient anyway while I’m driving, but also i find that pausing doesn’t necessarily lead to me getting the words out any faster anyway. While doing the first set of courses, I didn’t really bother with the listening exercises (naughty, I know) - I just went through the lessons.

I have not found any of the pronunciation difficult at all. I come from Wales, albeit from a very non-Welsh-speaking area of Pembrokeshire, but I must have absorbed enough of an accent to have made speaking in Welsh feel quite natural. I live in England now but I am back in Wales quite a bit, and I find the experience of going into Wales and seeing Welsh everywhere gives me a little motivational boost whenever I’m flagging - I enjoy seeing the words which I’ve grown up thinking of as incomprehensible begin to make sense :slight_smile: Me and the kids give a little cheer when we pass the ‘Croeso i gymru’ sign on the A40.

One thing I have been putting off is finding someone to speak Welsh with. I feel too silly, and am afraid I won’t know how to say anything useful at all (please don’t take that personally, course authors). I’ve failed to capitalise on opportunities to speak Welsh when faced with people who are obviously Welsh speakers in shops etc. But I am going to Skype some of the guys on this forum. Might just have to have some wine beforehand.

In general, though, I’m really enjoying the experience, and I have found that now is such a great time to learn Welsh - there seem to be so many resources devoted to helping and encouraging learners. I love the sense of seeing a new layer of the country I grew up in. The whole experience also made me reflect on what the value is of minority languages in general - I’ve written a magazine article about this which will be published in the next few months - will share a link here when it is in case anyone is interested.

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^^This! I’ve just started doing the new levels, having recently finished the old courses, and I’m powering through the early levels and really enjoying finding out how much I can say. Maybe the lesson is something like this: repeating lessons is not useful (or not as useful as most people think) for making progress in learning the language, but it is useful as a way to pat oneself on the back and see how far we’ve come. Working through new lessons, it’s sometimes hard to avoid thinking, ‘Gah, I don’t know anything’. Re-doing old material that was once really difficult is a nice way to discover that some of the material did stick, after all.

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Hi Conrad - sure, should be able to fit that in at some time - send me a private message with your Skype details and we’ll figure it out… :slight_smile:

@rebecca - thanks for that detailed feedback - really, really helpful! Getting that kind of emotional detail is hugely useful… :star: :star2:

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My landline is 01646 600436
My skype name is conrad.bryant1
I do not know if you need more information as previously I have only used it to talk to my son.
Any time suits me as I am retired
My mobile number is 07748116669 if you need to contact me to set up a time for us to talk.
I do not take calls incoming on my landline
Conrad

I’ll send a connect request in the morning… :slight_smile:

Introduction I chose to learn Welsh for the pleasure of it, because I am familiar with the country from childhood holidays. I discovered SSiW on the Internet, tried it and liked it.

North or South? Doing both! Sounds a bit inefficient, but it’s actually good practice. As I’m likely to find myself in the North more often, I regard the North version as my main one. I do the South largely to become acquainted with the regional variations. I would probably use North in speech.

Courses or Levels? Started Course 1. About halfway through I discovered Level 1. So I finished Course 1 and then did Level 1. And I’m doing the same for Course/Level 2. They complement each other and effectively permit revision with fresh material. Yes, it takes time, but I need to go over material a lot anyway when learning a language: it’s the way they wired my brain.

You went through most of our material in three or four years Taking its time. Over 2 years to arrive halfway through Course 2. But I’m in no rush, and I learn at the speed I wish within my time limitations (like most of us, I have a job, family, other interests, life’s problems…). Otherwise I stop enjoying it.

Go through the lessons without repeating any Sometimes I can go through about 3 lessons straight without repeating. Usually I do North a couple of times and South once.

Not use the pause button Rarely use it. I learn whilst doing housework.

do the listening exercises Yes, and it makes a difference.

get a conversation partner I need to.

understand different accents No problem. I think that doing North and South helps here.

put off reading I’d like to start eventually.

accept all the different ways of saying the same thing Again, doing both versions helps.

avoid worrying about grammar I like a BIT of grammar. In its descriptive, rather than prescriptive, role.

getting used to saying R Probably sounds dreadful!

getting used to saying Ll I try! If you ever speak to me in Welsh, you may find yourself discretely wiping your face with a tissue :slight_smile:

getting used to saying Ch No problem. Familiar with it from the Scottish “Loch”, plus I speak Hebrew which uses the ‘ch’ sound a lot.

General observations:
I think that everyone should learn in his/her own way. No two people will ever learn the same way. So I regard the SSiW “rules” as guidance lines and not hard rules.

The one SSiW rule that I advise everyone NEVER to break is “Don’t Worry”. I can’t overemphasise this, and I frequently remind myself. It really helps.

The frequent encouragement at the beginning and end of the lessons is great and has a big psychological impact.

I need to chill out occasionally and go a few days without Welsh. I come back with a vengeance.

New material just will not sink in when I’m tired. Almost a waste of time for me. On several occasions I’ve done a lesson and felt like just quitting the whole damn thing. The next day, refreshed, I redo the lesson and it’s a whole new, positive experience, and the material really gets learned.

Every now and then I feel that I need to go over a lesson several times, with the pause button, to revise everything learned until then. It’s not a reflection on the difficulty of that particular lesson. It’s the need to revise the material accumulated at that point. Very good technique for me.

I frequently check a word in my Welsh dictionary if I’m not sure of the pronunciation.

What would I like to see that isn’t there?
Exercises translating from Welsh into English would probably help me tremendously.

A bit of grammar, as mentioned above.

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Terrific input, Baruch - diolch yn fawr iawn! :star: :star2:

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Yes! This! Thank you for reminding us, Baruch.

Without that encouragement, I’m honestly not sure I ever would have persevered beyond the first few lessons. I can’t speak for @aran on the North lessons because I’ve only listened to part of the first one, but @Iestyn on the South lessons is extremely reassuring and encouraging. And funny.

Once I was feeling exhausted and thinking my brain was about to explode, and Iestyn said, with a grin you could hear, “I bet you’re thinking ‘I can’t take this any more!’, aren’t you?” Yes, that’s exactly what I had been thinking!

Another time, again when I was struggling badly, he read my mind and said something like,“You think this is tough? It was once even harder, but they said it was against the Declaration of Human Rights or something, and made me change it.” I burst out laughing. I love moments like these. They relieve the tension and make me realise I’m NOT stupid, I’m not the first person to struggle, and I won’t be the last.

It makes for a terrific learning atmosphere. Doing the South lessons with Iestyn and Cat is like sitting in a pub sharing a pint with them. You got it right? Great! Let’s drink! You got it wrong? Ah, don’t worry. You’ll get it next time. Drink anyway.

This is in stark contrast to the attitude of someone whose opinions I read on a forum some time ago. I have entirely forgotten which forum. It was just before I started using Duolingo to supplement my SSiW lessons, and I had been googling people’s opinions of it to see whether it was worth my time. Somehow I stumbled across a forum where this person was holding forth about the linguistic purity of the one true Welsh language and how important it was to maintain that purity and not let it be corrupted by learners or second-language speakers or users of colloquial Welsh expressions and borrowings from other languages. He heaped scorn on just about everyone involved in the teaching of Welsh, including his fellow first-language Welsh speakers who thought it was more important to encourage learners to try than to come down hard on them for not producing perfect Welsh every time or for using slang or borrowed words.

People tried to explain that language evolves over time, but he wasn’t having any of that. As far as he was concerned, the only people allowed to make changes to pure, academic-level Welsh were native Welsh speakers, and even then he was a bit sniffy about it, almost like they had to be approved by a Welsh version of the Académie française or something. Finally someone bluntly said to him, “If everyone thinks like you, Welsh will die anyway, because no one will speak it to your exacting standards, and you’ll end up in a room talking to yourself. Fortunately, everyone doesn’t think like you.”

I read that chap’s rants with open-mouthed astonishment. I had a wicked impulse to respond with my butchered, badly-spelled Welsh, liberally sprinkled with English to make up for the Welsh words I don’t know yet. But my better angels persuaded me not to. Other people were already taking him on, more eloquently than I could.

But gosh, I am so glad he is not in charge of SSiW! Can you imagine what it would be like? There would probably be an exam after each lesson, and you’re not allowed to progress to the next lesson unless you score 100%.

No. That is not the way to get people to take the leap and start learning a new language. Teachers need to provide encouragement, gentle correction, acceptance of mistakes, and good humour. Fortunately for us, SSiW has all of those in spades.

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