Tiny questions with quick answers - continuing thread


#5116

This is just a clip from the Commonwealth Games, isn’t it? :wink:


#5117

Well the thing is that if you DO use yn meddwl, it has to be mae. So it’s either:

Beth ydy XXX yn Gymraeg?

or

Beth mae XXX yn feddwl yn Gymraeg? (also heard, though technically incorrect, without the SM on meddwl, by the way).


#5118

Therefore, this sentence I found somewhere around the web is wrong?
Beth ydy’r gair hynny yn ei feddwl yn Saesneg?

p.s. not asking because I can’t believe it’s wrong, just to to make sure to say this sentence right if i ever need it!


#5119

Yes, I know what you mean! Diolch! :+1:


#5120

Many thanks, Gareth. That makes sense to me now, as it matches Ble/Lle mae etc


#5121

Technically, yes - but it’s a pretty common ‘mistake’ from first language speakers too (which is one of the things that can help make it tricky for learners to get it nailed down!)… :slight_smile:


#5122

thank you for this!


#5123

I’m probably going to regret this, but… huh? SM on a berfenw after yn because…?


#5124

Yes, it is wrong.


#5125

Exactly. And then with Beth and Pwy (which are pronouns) you also need to choose between mae and sy if there is a following linked verb. They use sy if they’re the subject, and mae if they’re the object.

Beth sy’n digwydd? - What’s happening?
Beth mae Sioned yn (ei) ddweud? - What is Sioned saying?

Pwy sy’n aros fan hyn? - Who’s waiting here?
Pwy mae SIoned yn (ei) wahodd i’r parti heno? - Who is Sioned inviting to the party tonight?

And then they take ydy when there is no other verb - i.e. when it’s just an identification sentence:

Beth ydy hwn? - What’s this?
Pwy ydy Sioned? - Who is Sioned?

This is fun. :slight_smile:


#5126

Because of the object antecedent - i.e. object of the VN preposed to the front of the sentence.


#5127

Ooh. All those familiar words.

You’d think I’d understand what they build when they’re put together. :scream: :wink:


#5128

See, if I’d waited until after you’d posted all the Beth mae Sioned yn ei ddweud? examples I might have remembered previous relevantly-similar conversations and not bothered asking – and then @aran would have felt so much happier… :slight_smile:


#5129

Undue haste is so often the cause of unnecessary pain and anguish, isn’t it @RichardBuck? :slight_smile:


#5130

Well, as it wasn’t my pain and anguish I’m sure I don’t really mind :smile:


#5131

Can someone explain the use of “mae” in this sentence:

“Ydy’r rhaw ar ben y sied o hyd? Nac ydy, o flaen y garej mae hi.”?

What’s confusing me, is that that second part looks to me like a focused sentence so I was expecting “ydy” not “mae”, or simply (unfocused) “Mae hi o flaen y garej”. I think this distinction between mae and ydy is something I don’t fully understand yet.


#5132

You’re dead right, @stephenbranley - that is indeed a focused sentence. The focused bit is the O flaen y garej, so this is shoved to the front of the sentence displacing (but otherwise not altering) the mae that would have started the non-focused sentence: Mae hi o flaen y garej.

Ydy is used in a specific type of focused sentence, namely the identification sentence, which this isn’t. Identification sentences have to have the same thing referred to on either side of the verb (which in present tense will be ydy or yw). But in your sentence, Hi and O flaen a garej do NOT refer to the same thing, so no identification sentence.

There’ll be a short written test on this next period.


#5133

So in this instance would changing the second sentence to Nac ydy, o flaen y garej ydy’r lle make it OK to use ydy here?


#5134

No - the answer is Nac ydy, o flaen y garej mae’r lle.

The ydy in nac ydy is simply the response yes/no formula, and has nothing to do with the structure of the following bit, which is a complete sentence in itself, simply tagged on.


#5135

I was thinking o flaen y garej and y lle were the same thing, but thinking a bit more (often a good idea! :slight_smile:) I realise it’s an answer to an implied “where is …?” question rather than to a “what is …?” question.