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Tiny questions with quick answers - continuing thread


#7531

@johnwilliams_6 Aargh, bingo, of course!! So bod does refer to the present. Thank you so much.

@emma-ireland Yes, Rich had explained that to me, too, a few questions further up. What had stumped me here was that I imagined the lady saying: “I wanted to speak with you last night”, and then someone reporting this. However, as johnwilliams has clarified, the situation is that she just said: “I want to speak with you” - and she said this last night. In which case the bod fits, of course.


#7532

Sorry, I’ve got another one, also in Challenge 14:
dwedodd hi bod hi vs. dwedodd e fod e

Why do the mutations differ here? I’m aware that the answer might very well be “they just do”, but in case there is a particular reason could someone tell me?


#7533

The reason is a bit technical… the “correct” form of bod varies from person to person, and bod is mutated according to the same mutations that occur when forming possessives (nasal for “my”, soft for “your” and “his”, aspirate for her). So you get
fy mod i, dy fod ti, ei bod hi, ei fod e.
In colloquial speech these correct forms are often replaced by “bo’fi, bo’ti, bod e, bod hi”, without the mutations.


#7534

Yes, I think, as you say, that It’s a case of “they just do”. It could perhaps be simply just because it’s a little bit easier to pronounce fod quickly than bod after the open vowel ‘e’?


#7535

@Hendrik Really really interesting! So the content clause structure is in fact something like He said his being … whatever, like you could do with some verbs in English as well (I mentioned my having been at Mainz university etc.)

Dankeschön!

So does that mean it would be okay to say dwedodd e bod e … rather than fod e? After all, in the first challenges it was Mae fe’n meddwl bo’ fi’n siarad … and not mod i’n siarad, right?


#7536

Yes, that would be okay to say, but don’t be surprised if you hear “mod i”, or even the full “fy mod i” (although this is quite rare in natural unaffected speech).
If memory serves correctly, the older “courses” (rather than the newer levels) use “mod i” instead of bo’fi.


#7537

Thanks everyone, you’re stars!


#7538

Qwestwn byr / quick question.
How would I say something like: when I do X, Y doesn’t happen?
Basically I wanna say “when I enter my postcode, the house number does not appear”.
Would it be something like:
“Pan dwi’n rhoi fy nghod post mewn, nid yw’r rhif ty yn ymdangos”?
I have to say that forming negative statements in the middle of sentences after a conditional bit is quite difficult for me!

Diolch.


#7539

Sounds OK. Possibly “i mewn”. Also the trick in natural sounding speech is generally to avoid “nid” unless there’s a noun or pronoun after it, like Nid John. I think the SSiW pattern would be something like Dyw 'r rhif ty (ddim) yn ymddangos.


#7540

"If memory serves correctly, the older “courses” (rather than the newer levels) use “mod i” instead of bo’fi."

They use both and, in spite of the general superiority of the new courses, the first two levels of the old course definitely made the mutations (especially the nasal and spirant ones) far clearer to me than all 3 levels of the new course.

For anyone interested, the relevant lessons are Course 2 lessons 20 - 22 or 23 inclusive.


#7541

Oh yea of course! Thanks!!