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Bwtcamps 2020


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June Date Announced

Click here to express an interest in the June Bwtcamp, 20/06/20 - 28/06/20

Interested in a 2020 bwtcamp?

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Before we start, though, here are the answers to some Frequently Asked Questions:

Bwtcamp

What is Bwtcamp?

Bwtcamp is a unique experience which turns Welsh learners into new Welsh speakers.

It’s a week’s holiday during which you will probably do more in Welsh that you have ever done before (yes, even if you’ve been learning for ages, but especially if you have only been learning Welsh for a short time).

It’s fairly obvious that a week living in Welsh will transform your ability to speak and to understand the language. What’s not so obvious is that it is almost impossible to have that experience outside of bwtcamp.

If you learn another language, like French or Japanese, you can always visit somewhere where you will have to use your new language to communicate: That is when you really fast-track your confidence in your new language abilities

But Bwtcamp is the only place in the world where you have to use your Welsh because no-one understands any other language. So Bwtcamp is the only place in the world where you can fast-track your confidence by having to communicate through Welsh.

While Bwtcamp is based in Tresaith (very South Western), we cater fully for northern and southern speakers - yes you’ll confuse each other a little bit to start with, but you’ll soon get used to it.

And we may start to convert some of you northerners to the south side… (twirls cloak and laughs…)

(Suspicious voice!) Why is it called Bwtcamp? It sounds like hard work!

We normally think of bootcamps (with an oo) as physically hard places to be. That’s what turns you from a civilian to a soldier, or from flabby post-christmas body to beach-ready Adonis (If only that worked, eh?)

But Bwtcamp is not physical, it’s mental. It’s a holiday, and we have loads of fun, while your brain does the press-ups and the 12k runs.

Your body is relaxing and de-stressing, soaking in the beauty of the Ceredigion coast, and enjoying the sights and sounds of local cafes and tourist attractions.

Your brain is working out furiously, getting into shape and, yes, becoming the brain of a Welsh-speaker.

Where is Bwtcamp held?

Tresaith, where the bwtcamps are held, is a coastal village on Ceredigion Bay, about 8 miles up the coast from Aberteifi (Cardigan) and 30 miles down the coast from Aberystwyth.

We stay in a converted chapel about 200m from the usually sandy beach. (How much sand, and how many pebbles there are varies according to the weather, but it’s usually more sand than pebbles!). It’s dormitory accommodation, with 20 bunks in the ladies dorm, split into three rooms, and a similar arrangement for the men. Have a look at this link http://tresaith.net/hostel.html for a picture of the ladies accomodation. You’ll see it is semi-open plan, but not as bad as ‘a 20 bed dorm’ sounds!

The exact location is here: https://map.what3words.com/presuming.urgent.surprises

What kind of things do we do?

Bwtcamp starts at around about 4pm on a Saturday evening, with a cup of tea and an introduction in English. Then we turn the English tap off, the Welsh tap on, and Bwtcamp begins go iawn (for real)

In the evening, we’ll have tea and go to the pub. It’s nice and relaxing because you will all have traveled, some further than others, and you’ll need to get to know each other.

On Sunday we still do very little. Weather permitting, we’ll visit the beach and a couple of local places, have Sunday lunch, and keep on relaxing. You will most likely be absolutely exhausted by the end of the day.

From Monday onwards, we ease you in to speaking Welsh to real life Welsh speakers, and go on jollies around the countryside. There are market towns and woolen mills, cafes and waterfalls, museums and cheese factories, and lots of opportunities to see, hear and use your Welsh.

Most evenings, we eat a meal cooked by a pair of bwtcampers in the massive kitchen at the centre, and either end up in the pub for a night cap, or play games and chat and sing at the centre.

Importantly, we also have to fill a big jar full of dried peas…

What do I need to bring?

Bring what you would normally take on holiday to Wales (ie clothes for summer, winter, rain and drought).

You will also need a sleeping bag or duvet, a sheet and a pillow case.

If you have a particular plan for an evening meal you’d like to cook, then bring any specialist ingredients you need. There are enough small shops in the area for staples, and there is a Tesco in Aberteifi for slightly more exotic things, but you may not find exactly what you want there.

You’re welcome to bring musical instruments, small games like cards or board games, but bear in mind that you won’t be able to use instruction books in English, and will have to explain any rules in Welsh to your fellow bwtcampers.

We have scrabble, monopoly and a few other board and card games in Welsh.

Dietary needs – see Special requirements.below.

Special requirements.

If you have special dietary needs, we can deal with that. Let us know (We’ll send you an email asking for details before bwtcamp). If you have a serious food allergy, then bear in mind that fridge, freezer and pantry are all communal, and there is only one kitchen. For most allergies, there are ways around that, but while we can make sure that nuts or dairy products aren’t put in your food, we can’t guarantee, for instance, a nut-free or dairy-free environment.

Accessibility wise, the centre has steps, we do quite a bit of walking, and some of the places we visit aren’t particularly disabled friendly. Cat uses a wheelchair, but can use stairs and walk with sticks when needed. That is about the limit of disability that we can cater for, so if you have stricter needs than that, you will need to contact us and discuss how much your needs will limit your experience, and whether you will get the benefits that you should from Bwtcamp.

How do I book, and what is the price?

Note: There is a new experimental booking system being trialled this time round

For the June Bwtcamp, we will open a page (it’s here: June Bwtcamp Mehefin 2020) on the forum, asking for interest. If more than 10 or so people are interested, we will then announce a booking date, and on that date, the booking page will be opened (with a link from the “interest” thread on our forum). The April free-for-all was too intense - basically about 15 people tried to book at the same time, and the system coped well, but people got or lost their place on pure luck. So for June, I will send invitations to book to people in the order that they have expressed an interest on the forum. It will probably be for a password protected booking page, though I will let you know the exact format when we are getting close to booking.

Only about 10 people can book on a Bwtcamp, so that we can give everyone the attention they need, and so that we don’t swamp some of the smaller venues. It can also get bit cramped in the Ganolfan if there are too many people.

Bwtcamp costs £349 (including VAT). That is unchanged from last year’s VAT inclusive price.

You will need to pay the full price when booking, and that money will not be refundable if you cancel unless we either re-sell your place or have cancelled you ourselves. We usually are able to resell places given enough notice.

You can pay with a credit / debit card, or directly via PayPal.

The price of bwtcamp does not include food or entry to museums etc, however we do try to avoid too much extra expense. As an idea of ‘extras’ most ‘home cooked’ meals come in at around £4 - 8 per head, we will sometimes go to a cafe for lunch (again £5-10 including a coffee) and when we go to museums, there is often an entry fee in the £3-5 range. We will also eat out on Sunday and Thursday (£9 - £12 each).

How much Welsh do I need to qualify for Bwtcamp?

This is a difficult question to answer, because different people with the same amount of Welsh will find bwtcamp easier or harder depending on their personality.

We set a minimum as having completed Level 1 of the SaySomethinginWelsh course, as this will give you a basic set of patterns, and a basic understanding of spoken Welsh.

There are three things to bear in mind, though:

  1. On the first ever bwtcamp (2010), there were only about 10 SSiW lessons available and no-one starved, left and never came back, had a nervous breakdown, or suffered any other particular unpleasance, so you can get away with very little Welsh. You can see our original Bwtcampers here . The fideos were done at the end of Bwtcamp, which is why they seem so absolutely exhausted. But spot Dee, who runs Bwtcamp with me, and you will realise how well Bwtcamp works!
  2. A lot of people will have more Welsh than that, and if you are struggling to keep up with other bwtcampers, it can be disheartening.The paradox is that if you turn up with 5 lessons of SSiW under your belt, you will probably go home having enjoyed less than anyone else, but having improved more than them, so there is a balance to be struck.
  3. Over the years, I have seen one common factor to all Bwtcampers: How much you enjoy bwtcamp depends almost totally on how much you throw yourself into everything and how much you can move past having to speak good Welsh to just speaking as much Welsh, good or bad, as possible. It depends very little on how much Welsh you have on arrival.

In other words, I’ve seen people who have completed everything we have, struggling to talk because they are trying to say stuff right. On the other hand,I’ve seen people who later admitted that they hadn’t completed level 1 having a brilliant time and improving exponentially, because they’ve just decided to throw caution to the wind and use everything they know, and make up the rest.

So, it’s not how much Welsh you have, but how many dried peas you put in the jar, that decides how much you get out of bwtcamp!

And so, who’s up for a bwtcamp? Subscribe to this thread, and you’ll get notifications as and when new posts appear, including, of course dates.

In fact - here is the ‘express an interest’ page for the June Bwtcamp 2020:


June Bwtcamp Mehefin 2020
2020 April Bwtcamp **Fully Booked!**
Bwtcamps 2019
#2

@judy-evans-1. You’re probably interested in this.


#3

Great! I’m potentially interested thanks @Iestyn but already have something pencilled in for 25/4 (it is a Welsh activity!) Can you give an approx idea of extra cost for food & visit entry charges please. Also, what are the sleeping arrangements? Sorry if I’ve missed this info.


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Shw mae, Jenny? I’ve added answers to your questions to the FAQs above. Basically, accommodation is dorm-style (a picture is available at tresaith.net/hostel.html and the extras (mostly food and venue entry) is less than £100.

Does that help?


#5

I’m definitely interested in this one!


#6

I really want to attend a bwtcamp this year, but unfortunately this one will be difficult. I am a university lecturer and will have to be marking that week! Hopefully later in the year…


#7

I’m interested I’m looking froward to taking advantage of my free place from the Competition :slight_smile:


#8

I am interested please put my name down . Thank you Sandra Agnew


#9

I thought I had registered my interested but can’t see my name here?


#10

I thought I had too, but it might have been another thread it’s ok though, it’s just to guage interest. See you on the 3rd


#11

I’m interested in one around Aug 1st if available. Or early July possibly. Not sure whether it will be possible though


#12

i’m interested! depending on the dates!


#13

Hi Iestyn,
I have put my name down as interested in the April Bwtcamp but, having seen the standard of the other interested people, I am concerned that I will spend the whole week not understanding anything. I cannot afford to come more than once. Would I be better to wait a bit, until I am more fluent?
Thanks
Lisa Vickers


#14

will there be bootcamp this summer


#15

Shw mae, Lisa?

Bwtcamp is an odd beast. I have had people who have competed Level 3 struggle, and people who later admitted that they hadn’t completed level 1, enjoy themselves immensely.

The difference is not whether you understand everything (you won’t - we make sure of that!) or whether you can say everything you want to (again, you won’t be able to, and if you can you either aren’t challenging yourself or you don’t need to come on bwtcamp!).

The difference is how well you cope with the challenge of getting by with what you have, and enjoying circumstances, games, company, laughter when you don’t necessarily understand what’s going on.

How ever much or little Welsh they have, most Bwtcampers feel that others are ‘better’ than them, and many will feel that they are miles behind everyone else., and everyone has times (especially at the start of the week) when their brains are melting and they would like to go home, about now, please…

So, in summary: It’s never too early, but it depends on how wide your personal comfort zone is. I can guarantee that you will experience a week in Welsh (whether you understand / take part etc or not!), which will definitely do loads of good to your learning, but if the frustration is too much, it may not feel like a positive learning experience.

I know that’s probably not much help (sorry!).

However, I am hopeful of running 3 more bwtcamps, in June July and September, so if you feel safer leaving it for a month or two, you can still get a Bwtcamp done this year.

What do you think?


#16

Sut Mae! I am really interested in the April bootcamp if there are any places left.


#17

Hi @SheilaDavies. To express an interest in the April bwtcamp you need to go over to the April bwtcamp page, which, if I was more techy I would be able to link to here. What’s more important though is that this Friday, 17th, the process moves on to registering and paying. There’s a link on the thread I mention. If everyone who has ‘expressed an interest’ actually attempts to register then some are going to be disappointed, but that’s no reason for you not to try. At 9pm on the 17th, you need to be sat by your computer, with your payment details and it’s likely that the 10 successful people will have registered by 9.05. It tends to really be that quick. Pob lwc, good luck.


#18

I’m really interested in a bwtcamp. Unfortunately this one doesn’t fit with my school holidays (teacher). Fingers crossed for a July 18th bwtcamp :wink:


#19

I can’t fine the April Bwt camp page and I need to register in 43 minutes. Help!


#20

Hello @DiMatthews,

The link to the booking page is on the Thread “2020 April Bwtcamp” right at the bottom in one of Ienstyn’s last two messages:

https://forum.saysomethingin.com/t/2020-april-bwtcamp-booking-tonight/23085/52